|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
   |
Posted - 2012.08.15 02:07:00 -
[1] - Quote
Eve online has them built in sure and you may think its free.
I know you are all angry but at least calm down a short bit and listen.
Not many players know eve online players ALL pay for it out of a deal with ccp and these guys http://www.vivox.com/ thus a small portion of every Eve online subscriber pays for the service.
Vivox is CCP's voice carrier and anyone who does alot of networking will tell you that its entirely unreasonable to have networks align to allow for high pirority bandwidth (which also isnt free) requirements that a member 200+ voice channel requires. This gets expensive QUICK.
Dust 514 Servers are also not free and to toss operational cost of having voice for everyone who may or may not use them and let alone eveyrone who may or may not spend money for aurum its very unreasonable to provide a service that not everyone might use and wont pay for.
Now asking the top 1%ers (eve onliners) to foot the bill is also just as bad considering our simple potential to out number the eve online players it would almost require the paying subscriber cost to rise 2-3 usd and that is beyond unacceptable for eve online players to eat up those costs and ccp would have to close doors later.
Becuase of bandwidtch costs and high pirority request Its a reason why teamspeak server rentals are about anywhere from 300 to 100 USD a month to rent (which some companies go out and subrent to you at a ration much lower than server full strength.)
Its much easier to foot a bill for the battleservers than it is for all possible potential players from ccp points of view but to keep multiple persistent voice channels up and going all the time gets taxing.
At 900 aurum for 30 days thats 4.50 (one penny buys 2 aurum) USD to talk on any channel outside of battle. Which imo is a bit too much for individuals this is more of a corproation price tag to enable voice on thier own channels.
I have to agree the prices are a bit unreasonable. The packages are also wrong the smallest package should be 30 days. Largest one 1 year plans. The invididual ones need to come down much more, While corp owners could possibly foot a bill for the entire corp's own channels to allow non payers to talk as well, at which point the corp can make automated donation pools to help pay for the monthly voice costs.
So here is my suggestion
100-200 aurum for individuals per month (50USD cents to 1USD)
900-1800 for corproations per month (which beats the average teamspeak gamers rent of 15.)
If players decide to have an optional subscription plan, make these implants a bonus item earned with the free aurum monthly.
Alternatively If dust 514 earns with you guys buying more than enough continious revenues we could possibly see these implants go away however that is less likely.
Finally you may ask yourself
Why would I want to use eve online's voice systems?
While you may not agree these features are worth it here are a few unique ones that most outside type comms cant match.
The most unique one is that its API controlled. Non corpers cant wander into your corp channel without having to join yoru corp frist. Non Squad members cannot flood into your channel, non inviteees cannot joint your private chat discussion all because they stole your servers password and booted you out of server's control.
While it may not be a big thing before eve voice came about hostile forces would typically flood the other teams' voice server so severly they would cause it to crash, and the servers that managed to hold up to the new load couldnt be used as all the uninvited guests would noise generate to illegibilize any attempts to communicate and they only did this in the massive fleet flights when its was most critical to have the comms.
Voice modulation, people who use vivox can convicingly sound like other people, its scare how a 30 year old males voice can sound like a 20 year old woman.
Talking to your evil overlords (or space born underlings) instnatly without having such a long convulted long process of registering veryification and the sorts, inviting another voice operator to the channel is simpel as right click, invite, join audio.
While I may not be able to sell you the vivox service I have to agree with most of you 4,50 usd a head is way too expensive.
At least battlecomms are still free. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 02:52:00 -
[2] - Quote
Boksoon wrote:A serious corp will have it's own 3rd party VOIP service.
Dunno most corps I've rolled with consider 3rd party VOIPs a liability and waste of money. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 03:01:00 -
[3] - Quote
Wakko03 wrote:It has been free for me since the days of Resistance 1.
What part of free psn and then a free to play game was not understood before they decided to go this route, maybe if they had a 40 to 60 dollar package.
Cough MAG allowed me to communicate to my whole team of 128 as OIC pretty darn effectively for free and then I had proxy chat to banter with enemies.
Could you have that voice channel outside of combat though? Currently Dust 514 has free battlecoms but the out of battlecoms are a bigger mess of things.
Its possible to join several channels each with 255 speakers in eve and you can listen to various channesl preset the push to talk to only talk on one and basically set up what is known as a voice tree where infomration gets filtered out to improtant need to know basis.
A dust 514 equivalent example of this would be
Grunts - They're connected to thier squad and can only talk to thier squad level and listen only to the conversations in the squad.
Squad Leaders- They're connected to thier grunts and can listen to thier grunts and listen to the general. They cannot talk outside of thier squad still except to the general. Squad Leaders also have it set up that if the designated recon soldier talks he overrides everyone else.
General - General has his setup so that he only hears the squad leaders chatter as well as the admiral in eve space. He can talk to either squad or Admiral or the planetary commander.
Planetary Commander- is sitting on the warbarge managing contracts moving fonts and sending resources and preplannning he only has to listen to the general for anticipation of next move such as if its a losing fight he throws up better defenses for neighboring districts and higher pay contracts.
Admiral/Fleet - Admiral in space is likely going to be listening to his fleet commanders more than the general but he can listent to the general to gauge how well he is doing on the ground before he commits a fotillia to try an orbital bombardment if currently engage, he can also inform the general if an OB is currently not possible becuase of hostiles and the sorts or if the ground troops need more supplies to bridge them in.
Overall this complciated voice tree can easily reach multiple hundreds of players, most team speak servers cant handle that many folks |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 03:09:00 -
[4] - Quote
Well currently the things are bugged and not fully working. SO that is an issue right now. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 03:34:00 -
[5] - Quote
Wakko03 wrote:With clan deploy for MAG we had a few games with 36 to 40 people talking at the same time, it wasn't until we launched a game that it was broken up into squads of 8, not 4. All this does is prevent more team work, for a team work orientated game this is stupid.......spies....come on who really cares about them.....unless this is the over-glorified version of stratego I don't care.
Turning console style voice chat into pc style voice chat and the reasons you are providing for it seem lacking to me.
Next thing you know CCP will demand we all get VITA's if we want to be a squad leader, platoon leader or oic.
Sony obviously has not had a problem with providing voice chat for many other games, tell ccp to make sony cover this aspect with the psn we still have to sign in to in order to use the ps3, no matter that we still have to then connect to the dust servers.
Sony isnt providing the voice comms which was reason number 4 why this game cant go microsoft. CCP is providing all the voice services. Sony's voice application is not compatable with 'eve voice' and can never talk to each other.
Also while ccp may never force you to get a vita, those with it would have a much easier time placing down orbital strikes, squad orders and the sorts. My only hope on that font is the app goes smart phone. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 03:55:00 -
[6] - Quote
Wakko03 wrote:Yep a 1 time fee, it was a lot better than this nickel and dime nonsense which is going to cost me $55 dollars a year anyway.....so why not drop the free to play namesake and call it what it is, free to download but to play you are really going to need $50.
Am I going to have to hear the cries of ps+ users complaining about not getting a later introduced discount?
I can agree to a one time fee.
I also think the cost should be xfered to player corporations and allainces.
Also the item be sellable for isk. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 04:17:00 -
[7] - Quote
Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Hm. Well from what I can tell you only need them for the largest of groups, and/or those whom are in multiple squads all at the same time -- again large corps.
Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I can tell they have a limited and small target audiance at the moment. Maybe that might change upon release when we have more in-game mechanics, but really they are limited for the time being. You can group and create your own squad and chat it up. So I have no real complaints to be honest. Atleast upon this subject.
Though, Iron Wolf Saber, if you want you can explain what they actually do to me. I feel you have more knowledge on this matter then I do.
As it stands now I am too fall in the "not happy' catagory as this goes against what ccp calles 'red roping' something they where against or promised us. But thats the one hand the other hand is CCP has to provide voice service to thousands of possible customers and needs a way to pay for it, we have no idea how much stable income (as its free to play anyways) dust 514 could generate.
Though as an IRC and rest of the IRC dwellers there we will promise you guys this much, we're going to have a talk with them and hopefully come out to a better solution than the 'voice access a day' red roping.
I am leaning twoards more of the optional subscription which pays monthly aurum and have this as a free bonus (as this becomes 'stable' income)
I am also for the 'one time fee'
and finally corporation/allaince billing option so all members of that group gets voice (and when a corp is large that can turn into stable income.)
Follow this with making this item sellable this could be the item that determines buyable isk value in dust 514 as the plex does in eve online.
To place this on 'individuals' feels far to cheap counter goals and many many other things I am not happy with either.
I hope this 'answered' your question it was a big vague if I must apologize. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 04:21:00 -
[8] - Quote
Very well Ill see about getting clarity from ccp in irc when they show up
|
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 04:53:00 -
[9] - Quote
Sniper no Sniping wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Boksoon wrote:A serious corp will have it's own 3rd party VOIP service. Dunno most corps I've rolled with consider 3rd party VOIPs a liability and waste of money. Why are you using the ones that cost money, Use things like C3 and stuff that are free to us
C3 is a vivox product last time I checked. the same guys who power eve and dust 514 voice http://www.vivox.com/gaming-solutions/download-c3.html
Vivox.com wrote:About Vivox VivoxGÇÖs VoiceEverywhereGäó enables social communications anytime, anywhere, and on any device. We provide communication applications for social experiences where consumers interact on the web, on their mobile devices, or within gaming or social networking environments. More than 70 million users in 180+ countries exchange more than three billion voice minutes each month across the Vivox Network. Our social communications applications are delivered directly to consumers and with partners such as T-Mobile, CCP Games, Linden Labs, Nexon, Sony Online Entertainment, Wargaming.net and others. For more information, visit www.vivox.com or check us out on Twitter or Facebook.
Also while you as an end user isnt paying for C3 somone else is. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 04:59:00 -
[10] - Quote
I honestly think its not worth 4,50$USD a head though... |
|
|
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
|
Posted - 2012.08.15 08:09:00 -
[11] - Quote
Okay the IRC crew got a blue post to post from irc clarifying the UVT, and we been feedig the devs back with threads so they are listening and paying attention to this touchy subject. |
|
|
| |
|